Yk1wJuYdBY"dS =\ =bz_$[om^+eh,*({5)JIZDf? This will be an on going 0000003452 00000 n 0000014945 00000 n THINGS THAT GO BANG! 0000000016 00000 n Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. 0000001752 00000 n View Models. Well worth some research. In 1849 the additional ciphers for provisional proof the letters E.L. in script, enlaced, and the sign of the tower of Liege a little obelisk upon a pyramidal base, also shown on the right [above]. Can be without . These firearms Further changes were initiated, when smokeless powder necessitated more stringent conditions of proof. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Interestingly enough, the Made in Italy stamp on the bottom did survive 2. These marks are the Belgian Lion rampant over the letters S.C.H. Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help News Consign Price Results. Inspectors WWII German Codes & Markings GUN MARKINGS Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. Flog?5BnS'Vz] Wd;No$wBj2O56~N)T%D-69_f)Bl[RfU[aSV. New rule called for marking of gauge along with shell length for smoothbore barrels. Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. 36 Made in Italy". fW5Zi|Fki"Mf4i{~9wY C [[8jD=z"ef ~ZckGWE(}vE|4 0000039738 00000 n Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. 0000109588 00000 n ALL CAN BE SEEN IN THE P. on Jan 23, 2018. Firearm Gardone & Brescia BP in 44 Cal Revolver Gardone and Brescia Italian Black Powder in 44 Cal Revolver; blued finish, brass frame and wood handle grips, 6.25" barrel, 13.5" overall length, six shot capacity, front fixed and rear grooved sights; barrel is marked w/ 'star over shield' and 'star over PN' proof marks (identifies Gardone & Brescia as armorer), MADE IN ITALY; frame is marked . 1: A true smoothbore rifle. FABBRICA ARMI F.LLI PIETTA DI PIETTA GIUSEPPE EC. CD - 2009. 0000042008 00000 n 0000005765 00000 n During the 1960s, 1970s, and even into the 1980s there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. 0000004339 00000 n Applies primarily to guns made outside the U.S. Information courtesy of The Blue Book of Gun Values by S.P. 0000126405 00000 n The "not all revolvers are proofed" is unverified since nobody is willing to admit this. I have a Piettas revolver that is marked with the letters. BA 112 Magazine-Tube Pump-Action Shotgun Brand: Best Hulu Arms 5% discount for over 250 pcs order. Peacekeepers, Molalla River Rangers, ORANGE COUNTY REGULATORS,UP THE CREEK GANG ,LIFE MEMBER OF JACKSON HOLE REGULATORS,DOOLEY GANG,PRAYER POSSE, Robbers Roost Vigilantes, Dammit Gang, RO II, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. Their cipher or mark was the letters G.P. 0000005051 00000 n 0000010481 00000 n If it is a fake it's more likely any of the Italian proof marks and makers stamps were carefully filed off or filled then filed. Usually, these replicas are made by companies such as Uberti or Pietta, but smaller, lesser known Italian companies often make these as well. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths' guild and the mark of the State or city. 1968 = XXIV. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. 0000001485 00000 n :hmm: Thanks for the help. ,!x#B3`Ev A picture of your revolver uploaded from your files would provide the other clues as to what specific model you have. My wife and grand kids and my kids. 0000039614 00000 n FEMALE PEOPLE, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, OOWSS, Umpqua Regulators, Siuslaw River Rangers, RUCAS, Jefferson State Regulators, Klamath Cowboys, Wolverton Mt. 0000136869 00000 n 0000012886 00000 n The top of the barrel is marked, " Connecticut Valley Arms-Made in Italy". Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. The two upper case letters or roman numerals in a box is the code for the year the firearm was proofed. 0000001196 00000 n Taking the bbl off is the first thing I did - there are no markings on the underside anywhere. It is available on the web from Adobe as a free download. 0000012820 00000 n It may not display this or other websites correctly. H\j0~ These include the 0000039439 00000 n It is not clear to me when firearms by Italian manufacturers other than Beretta began to be marked with date codes - it may have been as late as 1954, with the Roman numeral X. Update: (This was originally posted in 2006.) >RPo$Q2y4%TCpu352ji%:@"BHUSYX}n CQCY}B%I"T4~S-2 +{gzIE$Or}a;nY 98cjdi (1 D,)} M855 Green Tip. for exports be able towithstand a proscribed load without damage. 0000002251 00000 n Worldwide Logistics for all your products. The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. HT=0+ @|7IqE.sQ"$9>tB}vUe&iF=P[mEjo(lHBRAu)0u^Y_8Ii)uLBAo*3 3SL*l4r_g[#}eF9ihFCym>s@MRFzaVLz8 will normally provide the information needed to make a caliber referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", I'm going to print out this table and keep it handy for future reference. 1810 -> Liege. 0000005072 00000 n I never saw it extended to 2030! If poorly timed, rough and ill fitted revolvers are exported to the USA on a regular basis the actual proofing may also be skipped. endstream endobj 36 0 obj <> endobj 37 0 obj <>/ColorSpace<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC]/ExtGState<>>>/Type/Page>> endobj 38 0 obj <> endobj 39 0 obj <> endobj 40 0 obj [/DeviceN[/Black]/DeviceCMYK 63 0 R 64 0 R] endobj 41 0 obj <> endobj 42 0 obj <>stream 1948 = 4. Ridgecrest, PRoC (Peoples Republic of California). These two, and sometimes the makers private mark, may be found on many old weapons. 0000096938 00000 n The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. My revolver has 'Made in Italy' on the barrel, and the Italian Gardone proof as well as the Italian proof that has a star surrounded by 8 lands and grooves above the letters PN both appear several places on the frame and cylinder. 148 0 obj <> endobj 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i Ste., 1-D, Santa Ana, CA 92705 | 800-430-1310 | 949-261-6611 | Fax 949-756-0133. The same rulses are more or less applied today. SOLD FOR: $1175. 0000102139 00000 n I saw that as wellnote that AE was used, but "BE" is skipped. 0000037574 00000 n The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. startxref 0 I have a older or what looks to be older blacke powder revolver that i have purchased. Price: $436.00. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. 0000011101 00000 n Copyright 2019 sassnet.com 0000007873 00000 n 0000008871 00000 n It has the standard Italian proof marks and date code (AD). There are a number of All rights reserved. In now represents definitive black powder proof except for muzzle loaders 1893 - present 14 Designates guns with rifled chokes. 178 0 obj <>stream You can choose to work with makers from Italy directly or contact distributors for a more varied assortment. Saillevillean E. reversed set in a square stamp (as shown below). 1893 - 1924 1930 - present CH B RAYE 15 Designates 4th or nitro proof; the mark contains the name of the powder in abbreviated form ( Schultze, E.C.) In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. It has on with a star above it and a shield with a star above it. The laws were remodelled in 1849, and definite rules as to powder charges laid down, and the cipher, as shown on the right [below], granted as sign of definite proof. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 0000029262 00000 n There used to be an odd-duck that came about several ways. 0000099401 00000 n Price: $525.00. 0000080540 00000 n 0000111269 00000 n You are using an out of date browser. The proof marks for Eibar, in Spain, are the letters Po, surmounted by a crown. Italian firearms date year of proof codes. 1967 = XXIII. All that tells is that it was made in Italy in 1976. Interestingly, the spout/measure of the powder flask that came with my revolver only measures 19 grainsby weightof the blackpowder. xb``b``` @16 l-,8sh-[1%3*.\ M=S!b6B>&X=ME#e*U3\'VC~Aa1 &w"2))vttgh \4 Tb@Rj hd`@ )fc``T v`#l> ^1?Y,Zi;?I+OT)po=|:U:EK{ mg`r#w /r] As for value comes with box and back powder flask. Join Date: March 19, 2008. 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Gun Proof Marks, Stamps and Date Codes . 0000038657 00000 n 0000000016 00000 n Does anyone know where I could find the codes? The Model 1851 Black Powder Revolver comes with a hammer rear sight and a fixed front sight. acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths guild and the mark of the State or city. 0000067226 00000 n Feedback. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. CF - 2010. 0000011827 00000 n Also has pn with shield on cylinder. 0000051690 00000 n Starting price $549. August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. 1967 = XXIII. Established in 1960 by Knight Giuseppe Pietta, the company first entered the world of gun-making by producing hunting guns, including side-by-side and over and under shotguns. 1851 Navy Engraved .44 Cal Nickel Black Powder Revolver. Bookmark 0000002933 00000 n 1946 = 2. Black Powder only Cal. 0000013676 00000 n Some proof marks on side of frame and the roman numeral XX. 0000071997 00000 n PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN 1891-1928 Budapest smokeless powder proof for parabellum pistols Since 1981 Ferlach smokeless powder proof for parabellum . to share our findings by this means of communication. 0000008989 00000 n List of 294 Italian gun makers, Italy suppliers and sellers and distributors Home > Companies Gun & weapons dealers from Italy category Firearms/ Small arms 47 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 1 Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training 4 Gun Care 1 Gun Parts 2 Machinery/Manufacture 1 Operational equipment/ Survival gear 3 Airguns 5 individual armorers and inspectors used their own unique stamps in some 0000092657 00000 n $399.00. Re: italian made .44 black powder revolver That's essentially a copy of a copy. http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf You must have Adobe or similar software to read pdf files. I've got some recent guns and you have extrapolated the Date Codes exactly right. T^;y} 4E Included with the marks is a brief history of each of the manufacturers who made or are still making these replicas and the importers/distributors who imported these replicas based on what is currently known about them. 0000051711 00000 n Powered by Invision Community. We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof The barrel and cylinder are blued steel. and 20 Gauge. Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. Above trigger has has shield pn and AE. 1990 = AZ. 0000004861 00000 n 0000004839 00000 n Some of the better reproductions, such as those by Colt, Ruger, or Thompson Center, might tend to retail more in the $100 to $350 range. E.M.F. 0000078152 00000 n In this video I'll. 0000052569 00000 n Testing the gun Model: Reproduction LeMat Army Revolver. DGG with backwards C with looks to be 58 after it under the barrel. Starting price $499. All copies and uses are prohibited. 0000001623 00000 n skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. startxref 21 Proof Marks - Germany 1891 - 1939 proof marks: Nitro Final proof Black powder Choked bore Rifled bore Smooth bore 22 Proof Marks - Germany Weapons manufactured prior to the proof law taking effect (1893) were required grandfathered, but had . <<421B3FD89E55944EA1FB205BE7ED37D9>]/Prev 780315>> :hatsoff: That is exactly the table that I was looking for. The system of proof in Great Britain was as follows: In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000001540 00000 n 0000143308 00000 n EMF's Great Western II single action revolvers and Hartford model percussion pistols are manufactured by F.A.P F.LLI. 0000096658 00000 n 0000088591 00000 n 0000013943 00000 n Beretta used no date code in 1944. <<619EF975DD20A74ABA8163A7762AED27>]>> We have provided you From time to time, new data becomes available that corrects previous information found to be incorrect based on what was known at the time. 0000008370 00000 n 0000026203 00000 n 0000046756 00000 n determination. Originally evolved by the armourers themselves, the system of proof was in nearly every arms-producing country taken over by the Municipality or the State, who imposed a series of stringent by-laws and penalties on any who sought to evade the prescribed tests. source of Manufacturer Serial Numbers. 0000004954 00000 n black powder proof house stamping, and Gardone proof house stamping. 0 The markings are factory inspection and proof markings. Very unusual underhammer as the cocking knob is a better design so you can grasp it easier and. They went from BU to BZ 2004-05. Anyone have the latest date codes? 0000016830 00000 n 0000084840 00000 n God Bless the USA! It is becoming apparent that the major manufacturers used these shops as sub-contractors as a source of parts as well as complete revolvers for those distributors seeking cheaper and cheaper guns. 0000086754 00000 n Revolvers are marked on barrel, on the frame, and on each chamber. Measuring the bore diameter and chamber 0000003080 00000 n August 19, 2012, 03:46 PM #10: Fingers McGee. 1991 = BA. trailer Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. Barrel length is 5 3/4" and overall length is 11". b` I"G3M9YCNxB5)f(1TVVA |7dZgM gBg >noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 Austrian arms were marked with the double eagle, and later with the letters Wn 78; a variety of private marks of manufacturers are also in use. 0000011853 00000 n Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? 0000104236 00000 n or E.C. The lower right face of the octagonal barrel says, "A.S.M. 0000012277 00000 n 148 75 0000057470 00000 n 0000014575 00000 n All photos published on this site are the property of the author or are published with the permission of the authors. Quick View Add to Cart . 0000002539 00000 n Mf+wwJcC] }oUA!o=}OWWAn7 1848 Dragoon Revolvers. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Underneath the whole appears the word St. Etienne. INTRODUCTION Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings - Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and 0000016002 00000 n The Italian proof test markings are three (see picture) The first one (two letters in a rectangle) represent the year of prooftesting. The year of Last edited: Feb 17, 2018. 0000002272 00000 n Uberti cartridge revolvers are true replicas of original historical designs. 0000052548 00000 n 0000059736 00000 n These marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000050678 00000 n 0000014256 00000 n Parisa cipher of E. and P. set back to back (as shown below). PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. 0000001989 00000 n Get this product now as it would not last. 2: A re-bored rifle. Specifications: Manufacturer -- Fusav di Bini & Baronio (Italy) Date Code -- "AD" = 1978 date of manufacture Barrel Markings: Left side -- 36 Cal. 0000003674 00000 n The DGG is the mark of Armi San Paoli, now Euroarms. 0000009920 00000 n xref Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. 0000113366 00000 n I know that this info has been posted before, but I appreciate your posting it again. Spain depended for long upon the proof of individual armourers, and most Spanish barrels were marked with the stamp of the maker set in a square or oblong block under a crown. 0000012438 00000 n 0000002052 00000 n 0000050889 00000 n 0000064406 00000 n endstream endobj 137 0 obj <> endobj 138 0 obj <>/Encoding<>>>>> endobj 139 0 obj <> endobj 140 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB]/ExtGState<>>> endobj 141 0 obj <> endobj 142 0 obj <> endobj 143 0 obj <> endobj 144 0 obj <> endobj 145 0 obj <> endobj 146 0 obj <> endobj 147 0 obj <> endobj 148 0 obj <>stream (tr_WXvvL6Eu'}OI U-XY!A:Xnid~g,~:@ZP&kl$VsYA<5FTbf]0>okJ!wK9ae0 Lc#As;$'NS.7 5bUSGD}pzYVn5"I-6.K3obuGUQ,qe2F'.2sAI/.Dr\,:cyH=y39'vT-[ 6T ITALIAN PROOF MARKS PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun It is usually a combination of heraldry and letters or logos, which need to be decoded in order to determine the actual manufacturer of the reproduction. 0000105361 00000 n 0000006802 00000 n Their health and their love.I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire.I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot.I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. The second is the crossed branches, with the letters A.E. 0000011024 00000 n Good info. Many old guns may have been re-proved once or more, often in a different proof house from the original one. Liege. 0000122300 00000 n 0000036825 00000 n In stock. Serial Number: 12150. The polished brass trigger guard and walnut grips hold true to tradition. 0000004652 00000 n 0000087569 00000 n 0000001770 00000 n There are the RRRs, the *PN and * Gardone proof marks and an AB date code. The marks were obliterated when I finished the frame. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. The information was given to me years ago and yes I was wondering myself how they got 30% more powder into the cylinders! It is unfortunate from the point of view of history that weapons were not marked with a date letter as is customary with silver hall-marks, but the proof-marks stamped upon arms give no indication of the period of proof. An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. 0000005085 00000 n below are samples of Proof Marks of different countries. 0000004972 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In some cases this cipher is also preceded by the figures 16, and followed by a capital B., also surmounted by a crown. 0000004172 00000 n NRA Museums: PROOF MARKS - Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. Italian reproduction date markings Italian reproduction date markings By Brasspounder December 23, 2014 in SASS Wire Start new topic Brasspounder Members 321 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska Interests:Shooting old time blackpowder guns, landline telegraphy, railroads SASS# 9076 Golden Heart Shootist Society, Fairbanks, Alaska x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream 1945 = 1. this location now so you can return often. hb````g`c`0 B@16Le7w'o{` TxMCS/xJe:JgNf_%B"\j %Ry\azM,Po}*;dA6a` q !I20d JPB`P!f)L|1>(x5 LN!A!p5_6&.g`xi,alhpg+. Genuine Parker-Hale barrel markings - roll marks and proof stamps, A Comparison: The Zouave and the Mississippi, This is from the Colorado State Muzzle Loading Association [cont], This is from the Colorado State Muzzle Loading Association Journal. VoEE&.i=Gjry&M9s PpIC9EeX that we have found on this subject. Uberti Recommends. 0000004008 00000 n 0000004123 00000 n Definitive proof applies to all weapons and shows that the weapon has been tested with an overcharge of propellant and missile. 0000050991 00000 n Year of Manufacture: 1997 (BI Date Code) Caliber: .44 Cal. 0000016749 00000 n On our website you can find manufacturers and suppliers of guns and ammo from all world. THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. LSB#: 210317JM01. THE AMERICAN SPIRIT. The well-known Waffenamt Nazi symbol was actually a military acceptance mark, and not a proof mark. BICBWmaybe a call to PIetta or Uberti would solve the mystery?? A voluminous schedule of rules and scales of charge for the proof of various kinds of small arms is in existence, and the proof is the same at London and at Birmingham; though different proof marks are employed. Navy Model Right side -- Black Powder Only -- Made In Italy Bottom flat -- "BFB" (manufacturer's mark) Caliber -- 36 (.380 round ball) I have searched for this site but can't find it. SKU: FRS18511. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as It may not display this or other websites correctly. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. 0000080518 00000 n 0000109981 00000 n %PDF-1.6 % 136 43 Make: Italy (Proof marks are inconclusive to manufacturer) Model: Old Model 1851 Serial Number: E2690 Gauge/Caliber: 44 Black Powder Action Type: Black Powder Revolver Barrel . The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. I'd bet that CE was skipped as well (as are all "G" combos). I would be grateful to any lover of arms who possesses authentic dated weapons, or has catalogued a private collection, if he would send to me, in care of my publishers, any such information which will add to the mass of fact available. Italy started rather late with proofmarks, they started on december 30:th 1923 with a proof that was compulsory. Quick View Add to Cart . +J+J+J+J4+J4+Ji4F`4F`4fCg~1x:4lCC6a` ? ? The previous owner kept it in a display in his gun room. . 0000147394 00000 n Single Action Presenta. 0000001474 00000 n Action Type: Percussion Black Powder Revolver. Thank you for e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 Davide Pedersoli's philosophy has been and is to retrace history by offering superior quality products even in gun reproductions Recreating a history of more than 150 years, our models represent for collectors, shooters and hunters a wide range of guns, short and long, military and civil, that characterize the historic period between the 1730 . The third is a plain stamp, with the letters A.V.E. :idunno: I know it of recent manufacture since Pietta began making this particular model only in recent years. Proof Marks or SPANISH PROOF MARKS PROOF MARKS: SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont.PROOF MARK CIRCA . 0000013906 00000 n 0000106738 00000 n 0000027315 00000 n It is also these proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of the firearm. December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire, Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date), This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm, http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/Italian_Proof_Date_Codes_1945_-_2030.pdf. Fjestad. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. Caliber is .45 and barrel is smoothbore. Junior Member . gSchf41,%0&nMF;RD}|MY3-!!6m"m._Z8eGW7F]_[jGFS/`L{U\_&?4c@4xhZ+FGmLQA!^D9`xk'3'SL`AbE39a1Xl72t1Hl>|l lX3r7 @^o5I+u`,cB|H^iaPcbxW|)skz5UXx?8|qAo:"QUvbsd,!BD_Z6R'z~oAWF|1b+Q5,J[D:Spx%Ojoqo[$4gxcX-)I._[2$)Kfk4Z?X-DNP[I1bv(~SE_m6#O. 0000036564 00000 n 79 0 obj <>stream Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. %PDF-1.3 % 0000008415 00000 n Some of these markings are COM, the Double Diamond Logo, PR, MOFRA and others as assembled below. Italian Gun Manufactures Proof Marks & Dates 41 2 comments Best Add a Comment csaduck 4 yr. ago Many of us have Italian guns that were not quite sure of the date of manufacture, this is a list I got a few years ago (2003) and hope it helps out. left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a manufacturing date of 1999, then the gun's serial number, a dp oval manufacturer's mark, as well as the PEDERSOLI name, pistol caliber and notification that the gun is for black powder only. 0000015263 00000 n The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. Says made in italy on barrel. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". 0000108581 00000 n The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n 0000080946 00000 n It has a Naval scene roll marked on the cylinder. No specifications as to the bullet. Over the years I was amazed at the poor quality control done. since 1950 E. German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 E. German, Suhl inspection mark since 1950 E. German, Suhl choke-bore barrel mark PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. HWMs8WLE ydljblj+-Q%xvn Tr @w|;-'.y':BRdiR4&I &Ml7!e6"G'&y~>mh2?/.^/Fhy9xamNvYNy2k3ZX(`BIFybVE2-p$d(IF *^bSCv.* bW2P5a)M'?5*VT"fEdv/}Y4tU=iaf6hj\3qRplj9l#~ Oe{'zp{BM To establish this rule, they constructed a proof house near the City of London. These small manufacturers started with supplying only parts and then evolved into completed guns. 0000038284 00000 n -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk 0000012553 00000 n weapon. 1810 - 1853. 0000062843 00000 n 0000001537 00000 n FOOD, 0000010278 00000 n I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. 0000078548 00000 n 0000004778 00000 n Founded in 1957 by the late Val Forgett, Jr. Over the years, this company has imported many black-powder and modern surplus firearms and replicas. 0000000016 00000 n That was the original article that I read. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. 0000003744 00000 n xref My feeling is you have a Walker copy someone made look old. Seen on repaired guns that required re=proofing. 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